22 comments on “Panasonic LX3 vs. Nikon P6000 Part 2

  1. More great info about these cameras Andy. Im glad that the P6000 is working out for you! The G9 will shoot a frame every 1 or 2 seconds and make it into a movie… a feature that I love! For some reason this isn’t present in the G10? I would hold into that feature and give users the ability to choose from more options like 1,2,5,10,20 and 30 seconds.

    There are some really cool features on the Nikon that I wish my G9 had… GPS, wireless remote receiver, etc. but also some feature (that you mentioned) that I wouldn’t want to give up… Live histogram, auto bracketing in RAW and the higher quality video mode.

    When the G9 released, I was ready for a P&S so when this newer round of high quality P&S came out I wasn’t looking to drop more money on another. Hopefully Canon will get things together with the G11 (or whatever its called) or Nikon will add some of the G9 features that I love to the processor of the P6000. And could it possibly be just a little smaller?

    Im looking forward to hearing what you have to say about the G10 tomorrow. Although I doubt that its going to be very nice lol.

  2. Thanks for the review and comparison. I think. ;-) Now there’s a decision where I thought there was none. Hmm.

    You’re a no-flash kind of guy – so the P6000 does fine compared to the LX3 in low light situations? Hmmm.

  3. I use Lumix exclusively.. why I don’t know, like the glass… but now I figure I need a PS for better low light shooting
    Man, Nikon needs to do something with that chip sensor and say get to 6-9 MP with 16400 ISO

  4. I haven’t used the P6000, Andy, but I think your review of the LX3 is very fair. I got mine about a week ago and put it through its first field tests this week. Wow! Amazing image quality for such a small camera, but it offers as many soft and hard switches to throw as the cab on a steam locomotive.

    I am already swearing mightily at the dual function “take a photo/view a preview” switch. Why in the world couldn’t Panasonic have anticipated that when I:

    (a) remove the camera from my pocket,
    (b) take off the manual lens cap,
    (c) turn on the power,
    (d) bring the camera to my eye and
    (e) press the shutter button half way to focus

    I really want to take a photograph, not flip that little switch back to “take a photo” mode just because I forgot to do it earlier or it toggled in my pocket?

    BTW, the LX3 does offer a way to cap the maximum ISO in auto ISO mode, which you noted as one strength of the P6000.

  5. Interesting article and point of view. Fully respect it. I just think some people (like me for instance) would never drop $150+ for a decent true “pocket camera” and carry it in my pockets where I have change, keys, or worst yet my back pocket where it can be bent and cracked. If I want a truly ubiquitous camera, it’s my cellphone’s. That thing is guaranteed to be with me all the time (unlike the $150 pocket camera) and although it’s not an amazing camera it covers 90% of the casual situations where I had no camera but only my cell phone. Then, for all those other “predictable” casual situations I’ll chose a good quality compact camera (G10 in my case) and take care of it by carrying it in a small unintrusive soft-case. Even if the G10 were smaller and simpler I’d never drop it in my pocket with keys or change. I’ll also add that the G10 is probably just as quick to “set up” for a quick casual shoot than any smaller/simpler camera, just turn the dial to “Auto” if not already on it and press the shutter, it might even be quicker with the G10 given the zero wait time after turning it on, and comparatively much faster focusing.
    Again, it’s all about trade-offs and what’s important for you. To me, I want my point and shoot pictures to be of top quality, and have good camera response time. Plus no matter how small the G series gets, I will not treat it like change in my pockets and therefore won’t mind having to take a few rare shots with my sub-standard camera phone to benefit from all the advantages the G10 has to offer for 90% of my other point-and-shoot pictures.

  6. Great video, and relly thinking in getting P6000 to take it where my dSlr won’t go. One quick question Andy, The suction cup for the camara, where did you get it?

    Thanks

    GB

  7. Thank you for your review and I appreciate your style of writing and your sense of humor. Love your work on MBW also. I agree with most of your review as alot of it is a subjective thing based on your preferences. Just a couple things I would like to point out from my point of view.

    The Nikon’s inclusion of an optical viewfinder has 2 benefits. 1 being that it is a familiar way for people to use a camera and second, and I believe to be more helpful, it always you to brace the camera for steadier shots in low light. Granted you *should* have a tripod or at least a mini-pod like oh… the Gorillapod ;-) but they are not always present.

    I should also state that I am a Nikon dSLR and SLR user of many years and have purchased a Nikon compact for my mother but I use the LX3 as my everyday carry around camera. For me no camera larger than an iphone is a pocket camera as I wear jeans and hate wearing jackets so the lens protrusion was never a factor. I admit I would prefer to not have a lens cap. The styling in my opinion is perfect for what I would like. It has the retro feel of classic cameras and just feels right in my hands. The metal body feels very stable compared to the mostly plastic bodies of most camera and that includes many dSlrs. The mechanic switches have never been a problem for me and in fact I enjoy them since I can have it off or in sleep mode and make most of the adjustments i need before i even turn on the camera. The record/play button has never been an issue as i find it natural that i push up slightly on that button as i pull it up for a shot. The mechanical switch of the flash is something which I adore. Flashes going off automatically have been the bane of my existence with point and shoot cameras.

    I tested the Canon G10, Nikon P6000 and the Lumix LX3 before deciding to spend my money on the LX3. For me, it is almost perfect as an everyday always on me camera. My dSlrs and their heavy 2.8 zooms have now been relegated only for work and “serious” photo walks while I can get great shots of the best bowls of ramen and interesting structures.

    Once again, great write up and I look forward to reading what you have to say about the Canon.

    Your fellow photographer in the diner snapping away for a full minute before eating.

  8. Interesting (and humorous article). All I can say is that I bought my son (a photography student) the P6000 for Christmas and he loves it. I have the G9 and am jealous of the GPS feature…

  9. I’ll save my G10 comments for the proper place. But I sure don’t put the P6000 in a pocket with my keys and change! It sits alone in a pants or jacket pocket.

    But you see what I’m talking about; it’s an easy thing to slip a camera pouch onto my belt, but I’m not going to do that when I’m out running errands, or just headed downtown for a meeting. If I feel that a camera needs a belt pouch (or a neck strap) then that camera is going to get left at home a lot, where it can’t do me any good as a camera.

  10. The window mount is homemade, using a GPS window mount I bought at a flea market for five bucks. I’ll do a post sometime about how to turn anything into a camera mount.

  11. So did Nikon actually fix RAW for the Mac then? Last I checked the P6000 had a custom RAW format that was for Windows only, and being a Mac guy that likes to shoot RAW, this was a deal breaker for me. I’m surprised there was no mention of this limitation in the article.

  12. It was a problem for about three weeks. Then both Apple and Adobe updated their RAW drivers to support it. It’s a non-issue.

  13. I obviously missed that in the last RAW update, but sure enough, there it is on Apple’s list of supported cameras. Thanks for pointing it out.

  14. What I know about cameras, especially the technical terms, would fit on my little finger, but I am slowly learning!

    What had me laughing out loud was this paragraph:
    (”Six different color profiles,” was all the 34-year-old systems administrator could say after he was finally found and rescued by National Guard helicopters. “The thing kept asking me about my ‘perceptual intent’ over and over again, no matter how pitifully I begged it to just let me take another picture.”)

    I’m an Incident Commander for Search and Rescue and while I’ve not yet heard that particular
    reason for getting lost it’s not out of the realm of possibility. As long as I don’t get lost in the middle of nowhere enjoying my new photography hobby I’ll be okay. I would be very embarrassed if the teams I work with had to rescue me!

    I learn something new everyday on TWIPPHOTO. I love the camera critique and hope you’ll do another series soon. Like what P&S to carry when climbing waterfalls?

  15. Since I always carry a purse (and the camera is usually in the purse unless I forget and leave it next to the computer), I always have my LX3 (and even my FlipMino). It’s not even a really big purse. The 2 MP camera on my iPhone is just not acceptable for even an outdoors shot.

  16. Maybe I’m missing some subtle sarcasm here, but I don’t understand what you’re saying about the ethernet connection. First, I can’t imagine why you’d want one. Second, I can’t understand why/how they’d limit it to connecting to a specific site. Third, I really can’t see how 100mb/s is too slow for file transfer…

    Your reviews are entertaining so far, but I’d like to see some more talk about the technical capabilities of the Nikon. I mean, there’s a million P&S cameras that have good ergonomics – what sets the LX3 and G9/10 apart is image quality and low light performance. How does the Nikon stack up?

    Ben

  17. It’s exactly as I stated. The P6000 has an Ethernet port. It can only be used to upload pictures to Nikon’s photo service, and it does so pretty slowly. So it really isn’t useful and that’s a shame because I could see an Ethernet port as a great little feature.

    re: picture quality — I think the only significant things that can be said in any piece like this would be “The Panasonic takes better pictures than the Nikon” and “The quality of the P6000′s pics haven’t let me down in close to three months of shooting.”

    I could do bench tests and analyze the components of the camera and cover the earth in side-by-side photos, but (a) other sites have already done a fine job of that (I love DPresource.com) and more importantly (b) it really wouldn’t offer any significant new data.

    And dear Lord, I WISH there were a million P&S cameras with good ergonomics. As a shooter and as a reviewer, the greatest annoyance of a camera is never “images are oversharpened at 64 ISO; noticeable fringing shooting at 400 ISO with wide apertures.” It’s always “I turn the camera on and click the shutter and nothing happens…because there’s this stupid mechanical ‘Playback/Shoot’ switch that always gets bumped into the ‘Playback’ position.”

    The P6000 is by no means a mediocre camera. But I’d rather have a mediocre camera that behaves exactly the way I expect it to every single time than a $2000 Leica that requires a full-body check of all of its switches and settings before I can shoot.

  18. Andy, you always crack me up. Great review! There are tradeoffs in every decision, but the show-stopper for me regarding the the P6000 was the 640 x 480 video resolution. I don’t expect 1080i/24p in my pocket, but a 13.5 megapixel camera should be able to support higher resolution videos. I think I’ll wait for the next generation of these little cameras.

  19. Thanks for the review. I started listening to TWIP and surprisingly like it as much as TWIT and MacBreak Weekly. On your recommendation bought the Nikon P6000. I have the Nikon D300 which I love, but it’s bulky and my wife swipes it from me. This is just what I need. I’m looking forward to getting it in the mail (via Butterflyphoto.com). The fact that Apple came out with GeoTagging of photos and the gps enable features of this camera pushed me to get it.

  20. I agree with Craig. I think I need to devise a longer commute so I have time to listen to TWIP and TWIT.
    I’m a Canon guy, myself, not because I love Canon so much but because I have so much invested in L glass and I know the controls. For P&S I was a Nikon fan (CoolPix 4500) but have favored the oddball Sony DSC-M1 in recent years. Well, it may be time to upgrade my P&S (the Sony is now four years old). I’ve heard everyone rave about the G9. If I really want a Canon P&S would I be better off with a used G9 or a new G10?

    PS. I love the bird sounds in your Mom’s back yard.

  21. I go along with much of what you say here about the Nikon P6000, but I’ve tried uploading the RAW (NRW) files from a Nikon P6000 to my Apple PowerBook 12″ G4 running OS 10.4.11 and neither iPhoto or Image Capture recognise the files. I’ve installed Digital Camera Raw Compatibility Update 2.4 – http://bit.ly/2V8xbu -. and this still doesn’t work. Also the files sizes are huge – 20 MB each and the dimensions are fixed at 4224×3158. I think this RAW/NRW format is still an issue, especially for Apple Mac users, and I think this should be taken into account when deciding to purchase the Nikon P6000.
    I notice Nikon still have a problem themselves with the NWR codec; general info here – http://bit.ly/139K3s – and specifically – http://nikonimglib.com/info/nrwcodec/ .

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