Panasonic Lumix DMC LX3 Unboxing from Scott Bourne on Vimeo.
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The small threadlike band is to hold the lens cap on the camera. I had mine on for about one minute and after my cat attacked it while I was using the camera I decided it was the crummiest thing ever. I took it off and have taken to laying the lens cap around in various forgetful places.
Wow, no on-camera flash for the LX-3? The hot-shoe would be nice with something like an SB-400. That’s more expensive than my DSLR though :(
Scott, you get bonus points for saying “RTFM”
Looks like one very thin camera! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for that! The rubber band like thing is the lens cap string. If you do string it on, I recommend you put it on in the opposite direction/ side of the way you hold the camera for portraits. I hold the camera down, so I’d attach it to the left side.
Not having owned a G9/10, I can’t say how much of a difference the dial would make. I’ve used it in a store and it feels at home. However, I think the joystick is a very good compromise on a small body and it’s pretty fast for PASM modes. Manual focus can be tough though. Panasonic has also improvements to what you can do with the joystick, and my sure to use the quick menu!!!
I expect the G10 with improved grip and very DSLR to handle better, from samples I’ve seen the LX3 to have better ISO performance. The LX3 can almost do 800 in low light if you tweak on camera settings and work raw. I think Pana has improved the quality of their noise, the canon’s seems more natural, if there is more of it. But this is all from samples I’ve seen of these cameras.
Panasonic also has pretty heavy NR. I’d recommend you turn it down 1 or 2 notches and up the sharpness a bit. This is from reading and from my LX1.
Do you still have any canon flashes? A 580? Can you try and put it in auto mode (C.Fn 5.2) and test it with the LX3. Also can you try to see what steps the zoom is in and what the max aperture is for each value. Thanks sooo much and can’t wait to hear more!
longtime listener… have had my LX3 for around a little over a month now. great little camera, have fun with it
Scott – after you’ve had a chance to use it, I’m interested in what you think of the ergonomics and controls.
@John the LX3 has on-camera flash. It’s a pop-up.
@Jim the ergonomics are sub-par compared with the G9. The image quality (especially low-light) is superior. It’s business as usual – there’ no perfect camera.
I’m very curious how the LX3 compares to the G10 especially noise-wise and in low light/higher ISO. I can adapt to ergonomics issues. Especially curious how the two sets of images will compare right out of the camera without post. Thanks Scott.
@Scott – Thanks. Look forward to the review. I know there is no perfect camera :-). A large part of my current reluctance for the LX-3 is that no local retailer stocks them, so I can’t get a feel for the camera, like I can with the G9 (and soon G10).
If the larger 10MP sensor really delivers on the low-noise promise then I’ve almost convinced myself that the I can live with the shallow zoom in exchange for the 24mm wide and f2.0 lens. I applaud Panasonic’s strategy to focus on image quality and stop fixating on ever-more megapixels. Please keep us posted on the LX3’s image quality, especially regarding noise at higher ISOs. You could easily take me to the point of buying one.
i debating LX3 vs G10 -scott talk about “NO VIEWFINDER” & “NO INTEGRATED LENS CAP”. did you find these to be major issues? is 60mm long enough? is the Leica version a rip off – did they add $40 dollars for each of the L,E,I,C,A to the same camera? :)
Scott – I am interested to know why you went with the Panasonic Lumix LX3 rather than the Leica D-lux 3 or 4. Looking forward to your Lumix review.
Just bought a Ricoh GX200 and I am amazed by the controls and picture quality. I decided between the LX3 and GX200.
re: f/2 lens. Does the LX3 lens only remain at f/2 at 24mm? What’s the aperture at say 35mm?
re: hotshoe mounted flash. Anyone found a small flash that works on the LX3? The Olympus FL-36, etc. are too big. Someone mentioned the Oly. FL-20 as a possibility. Others?
@josh the viewfinder is a big deal but I selected this camera because it offers an accessory viewfinder which is ridiculously expensive, but nonetheless available. The lens cap thing is not a big deal to me but is something I’ll have to get used to.
I really can’t answer many questions about the camera given the fact I haven’t owned it for 24 hours yet :)
I’m seriously considering this camera but it’s in competition with the Canon G10 and Nilkon P6000.
I would love to see a shoot out based on the following criteria:
Low light noise/performance
High ISO noise/performance
over all handling
Movie capability comparisons
If that Nikon P6000 shoots like a D3 when it comes to lowlight then that may be a game changer but looking across the web it doesn’t seem to be getting a great reception. The whole window raw bullshit is a real kick in the nuts to me as a Macintosh ONLY user and multiple Nikon body owner.
Allen, I had the P6000 in contention as well, but some early reviews are not terribly promising and I’ve seen sample shots with some very odd white spotting/noise.
For me (note a teen too) the lens cap is not a fault but I like it. It’s one less thing to break. People also use SLRs and want and SLR like camera, do we all hate lens caps? I don’t mind it. In so many years that I’ve used SLRs and 3 with my LX1 I lost 1 lens cap.
Also for me it just seems odd to have plastic covering the G10’s (or any others) glass while in use. I know it doesnt mean anything, but I just have that thought.
Scott for handling, is it the grip or the lack of dial or both? Would using the lens adaptor make it better, especially when using a flash?
Also ANY hot shoe OVF works in the LX3 there’s so many available, just get one. Panny’s is only marked for 3:2 anyway. Also lecia makes a ‘brilliant viewfinder’ that might have leds:
Also found this:
It explains maximum aperture. It may drop right after 24mm but I know of NO current compact which has brighter than 2.8 at 60mm. The only other compacts that come close start at f2.4 and most are 28, except the GX200 which is 24-72 f2.5-f4.4.
If you can get a stop faster of extra light and ISO400 that gives you what you’d need ISO 800 on other cameras.
Has Alex got his G10 yet? I am interested to hear your comparisons. My Canon SD800 broke recently and I am in the market for a P&S to complement my DSLR.
Cycomachead, that Leica OVF accessory costs $350 and isn’t available yet.
I am a photographer and own this camera, and this is how it performed on a friend trip with JPG. I belive it would have been even better photos with RAW, BUT there’s no RAW-compatiblity in Photoshop, Lightroom or Aperture right now. But I love the fast lens (2.0) and the great wide angle! Here is the LX3-pictures: joebrenden.com/telttur2008
Neat unboxing. What was the guillotine/matte that you did the unboxing on?
Scott, I recently just bought this camera too. What do you doing about the RAW files until they are supported by third party apps. I own Lightroom 2 so right now I’ve just been importing the JPEGs and figure I can import RAW once it’s supported. There’s nothing “wrong” with the silky pix software, but I’d prefer to keep everything in one application.
I went to the local Camera shop today and played around with the Nikon P6000 and Canon G10.
In terms of usability (ease of use for the dials and such) the G10 was awesome but man is it BIG…
Anyone compare the G10 to LX3 in physical size yet?
I sooooo almost pulled the trigger today on that G10 but the LX3 was tugging my wallet back in my pocket
and then the $499 question… low light noise?
Can TWIP talk this out in the next show… I think a good chunk of your audience is considering one of these bad boys.
Scott, did I overheard you on macbreak weekly say that you are planning on getting the G10 as well? If so, that’s great cause I would love to hear your personal opinion on how the 2 stack up against each other.
As many others, I am in the market for a new compact camera with good performance (on the noise side, not on the megapixel side) and I would definitely weigh in your opinion heavily in my decision.
Look at Scott’s twitter. He’s got answers to a alot of questions and has been answering mine, too. :)
LX3 VS G10… you know we’re waiting :-)
i own the leica version of this camera- the unboxing is exactly the same. i think the big difference between the 2 cameras is in the raw files and the way jpgs are rendered. i have read that the lx3 has some color issues- out of the box my dlux4 is spot on with colors…. the dlux4 comes with capture 1 (vers 4) and renders raws quickly and pretty on my 1st gen macbook (w/2GB of RAM)
I have only shot about 20 pix – but they are kick-*ss . the macro is spectacular
@PRK60091 color out of the box on my LX3 was spot on. No problems.
G10 vs LX3 Image comparison can be found here:
What is the NATIVE resolution for this camera? Seeing as it can take multiple aspect ratios, some of these must be cropped right? I read that the native ratio is 4:3, but the 16:9 goes higher than the widest pixel ratio. I’m confused.
ok… I would still love to see some low light stuff… but that said I’m about 90% sold on the LX3.
I’ll see what the TWIP guys say on monday and the only way I won’t get it is if they PAN it on the show.
@mrkgoo, none of those aspect ratios uses the entire LX3 sensor. Each one uses a portion of the sensor such that the wide angle range extends to a 24mm equivalent angle of view. This is illustrated and explained here -> http://www.seriouscompacts.com/2008/07/lx3-vs-lx2-relative-sensor-sizes-and.html
The one disappointing thing I’ve seen with the LX3 so far is that Silkypix (which ships with the LX3) doesn’t seem to extract any more detail than already present in the in-camera JPEGs. If you want to see all the detail (but also all the noise, color fringing, and barrel distortion) in your LX3 images, use Raw Developer (Mac only, Iridient Digital) to process the RAW files.
@PRK60091, if you want to try Raw Developer, rename your D-LUX 4 files from .RWL to .RW2 and they will work. C1 v4 is good, but I think Raw Developer is even better.
I just purchased this camera as well… A couple thoughts.
Image quality is good. The lens is f/2 wide, and progressively drops to f2.8 as you zoom. Very fast and bright on the wide end. Colors are generally good, though there are plenty of ways to tweak it. The DOF is very shallow at f2, as expected. Low light performance is good up to ISO400. Gets rather noisy, but still useable at ISO800, but I’ve not had much luck above that. However, I’ve found that even at ISO80, I can detect a bit of noise in dark shadows. Not egregious, but its there. The pop-up flash so far has been working very well for me.
JPG quality is average… pretty common for Panasonic. RAW quality seems to be slightly better, and SilkyPix is decent, but I am anxiously waiting for Lightroom to add support for it. What I’ve been doing to extract maximum quality is to shoot in RAW, convert to TIF in SilkPix, then open and do my adjustments in Lightroom. A bit of a hassle until native Lightroom support, but will do for now.
In terms of ergonomics… I guess you do sacrifice a little of that to get the lovely size and form factor. I really enjoy the rangefinder style of the camera and was one of the reasons it appealed to me. Still, it is fairly light, and has just enough of a grip to make me comfortable.
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