70 comments on “Canon Announces New Full Frame Camera & G10

  1. Yay! I no longer want to defect to Nikon!

    Of course, I want to see some of the images this thing produces before I decide I want to get it, but….

  2. Yay! I no longer want to defect to Nikon!

    Of course, I want to see some of the images this thing produces before I decide I want to get it, but….

  3. I got a 5D shortly after it came out, and have been drooling over the Nikon releases earlier this year. I think I know what I will be asking for at Christmas this year… :-)

  4. I’m sorry, but I think the G10 is a step BACK. It appears to be clunky-er and almost toy-ish. The 14.7mp has no benefit over the 10.1 in the LX3 and the lens is simply ‘normal’ and nothing like what I was hoping for. I’m either picking up and LX3 or G9 now and the G9 will be cheap. I like the pro features the G series has over the LX3, but ugh it’s a hard decision Im hoping to solve.

  5. As a Canon user I’ll admit I was a bit worried about their recent cameras, but wow, I didn’t expect this. I can’t wait to see how it performs in the real world.

  6. I’m confused – on the 5D MKII features page it says “Compatible with over 60 Canon EF/EF-S lenses and most EOS System accessories.” while on the Specifications page it says “Compatible Lenses Canon EF lenses (35mm-equivalent focal length is approx. 1.6x the lens focal length)”

    Apart from the contradiction with regard to the EF-S lenses since when does a full frame have a multiplier?

    I still want it though!

  7. THe 5DMII is a little disappointing if you want to shoot sports. 9 AF and 3.9 fps. Overall it looks like a good camera but I was expecting Canon to blow Nikon away. IMO that did not happen. Would like to look at the photos at high ISO.

  8. I don’t under stand why Canon feels they have to stuff so many megapixels on a small sensor. Give me 8 migapixels and I’d probably buy it. LX3 looks like my new favorite.

  9. I almost bought a g9 recently for the longer lens, but will wait for g10. The g10s higher megapixels might allow me to crop tighter to similar effect of the G9s longer telephoto. And it is nice to have wider lens at times.

    It is the ISO that interests me most in the G10, and am waiting for someone to actually post some 1600 ISO shots to flickr. There are other ways to increase apparent ISO sensitivity without having larger physical pixels. Am wondering if bundling four pixels as one might provide lower light sensitivity. And there is the shadow detail curve trick.

  10. Yeah, it’s a needed move on Canon’s part but what’s up with the slow fps for stills when it can capture 30 fps of HD video? (I went into this a little on my blog post too…). Did they pick up the gauntlet Nikon threw down? Yeah, probably b/c they beat the video, but this was to be expected given Canon’s history with video capture. The question that only time will tell is whether this is enough to recapture the throne…Canon has a few more pics on their press release site too…I just did the low res on my blog, w/ only specs so if you don’t want the whole press release, that’s available too for quick analysis. Thanks for the scoop TWIP (a.k.a. Scott) – I heard it here first! :)

  11. Canon brings out the big guns (pun intended). Where does this leave the 1Ds mkIII now? I don’t understand why they ate into their own pro-market with the 21.1 mpx sensor. I enjoy the 12mpx sensor on the current 5d, aside from the lower ISO performance.

    BUT BUT BUT, I was ready to go the route of picking up a Canon HV20 and doing the SLR mod to it. I think I’ll redirect my coin to this baby and a release date a week before my birthday.

    To Steve, Happy Birthday, from Steve!!!

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  14. Video is great! Can’t wait to try it. The demo video with the TS-E 45mm looks really cool.

    Next major step is full res video though, where you can pick out a still from exactly the best moment.

  15. Video is great! Can’t wait to try it. The demo video with the TS-E 45mm looks really cool.

    Next major step is full res video though, where you can pick out a still from exactly the best moment.

  16. Hmm, I am glad that the G10 doesn’t really blow me away. I was holding out for a while with buying a G9 before the summer, with G10 rumors starting to buzz, but I bought the G9 anyway. It was put to good use during my vacation where I couldn’t have brought my dSLR with me. (Think waterfalls, mountains, mud, rain, rocks and raft building :P)
    As the 5D Mk. II is out of my price range, I am looking forward to some reviews on the 50D to replace my 400D. (Or maybe pick up a nice 40D for half price :)

  17. Hmm, I am glad that the G10 doesn’t really blow me away. I was holding out for a while with buying a G9 before the summer, with G10 rumors starting to buzz, but I bought the G9 anyway. It was put to good use during my vacation where I couldn’t have brought my dSLR with me. (Think waterfalls, mountains, mud, rain, rocks and raft building :P)
    As the 5D Mk. II is out of my price range, I am looking forward to some reviews on the 50D to replace my 400D. (Or maybe pick up a nice 40D for half price :)

  18. Well I am a Nikon guy, and all I can say is great for Canon. The race really is stepping up a pace between these two companies. I think the specs (on paper) of the 5D MK II sound superb. What more could you really possibly ask for out of a DSLR. And the price seems great too. My only really reservation is, after reading the above post is firstly, from the specs of the 5D its now out-performing Canon’s flagship model the 1Ds Mk III in many ways. I also have a concern regarding such high ISOs at such a high pixel count. But I guess the proof is in the end results we will see shortly in terms of photos posted on the web from the camera.

    In terms of the new G10, I think Canon is on the wrong end, but appealing to the masses in terms of an increase in pixels compared to the earlier model. The G9 is a fine camera – I just hope the G10 does not result in a more noise per pixel.

    Finally, I now wait with anticipation to see what Nikon will bring out this month before the show starts. Go Nikon Go….

    Mark

  19. All I have to say about the 5D Mkii is ho#$$ sh@#%. I can’t believe they packed it with all this stuff. Was it worth the wait? Humm YEAH; am I going to buy it? Most likely, but first let’s see some pics and vids and lets wait for the raw support in leopard.

    What do you think Scott? Any regrets?

  20. 21.1mpix raw-files will fill upp drives like crazy. Can you guys please explain and test the different raw-modes and what type of image quality a sRAW-picture would hold. Does a sRAW picture user a smaller piece of the sensor or is the smaller size fixed by the cameras software?

    Do you think the sRAW1 or even sRAW2 setting still outperform a 40d? What are the pros and cons of shooting in sRAW. Enlighten me! :-)

    Love the show! The best one out there!

    Regards
    Martin Fryxell
    Stockholm, Sweden

  21. 21.1mpix raw-files will fill upp drives like crazy. Can you guys please explain and test the different raw-modes and what type of image quality a sRAW-picture would hold. Does a sRAW picture user a smaller piece of the sensor or is the smaller size fixed by the cameras software?

    Do you think the sRAW1 or even sRAW2 setting still outperform a 40d? What are the pros and cons of shooting in sRAW. Enlighten me! :-)

    Love the show! The best one out there!

    Regards
    Martin Fryxell
    Stockholm, Sweden

  22. Looks nice. If this sensor is as good as previous, looks like they’re onto a winner! Does this bring them back into competition with Nikon, regarding the D3/D700?

  23. Very interesting. I’ll keep tabs on them both to see how they turn out.

    I’m surprised that the 5DII upstages the much more expensive 1DIII with a supposedly better sensor, I wonder how long Canon is going to leave their top dog out in the cold like that without an update. Usually electronics companies don’t do that without a very good reason.

    One of my biggest objections in increasing pixel count in a dSLR is the size of the files, and this offers a way to reduce file size without having to resort to JPEG. I’m more concerned with color range than the number of pixels. Most of the time I really don’t even need 5MP, but it’s nice to have some flexibility.

  24. The picture of the 5D looks real crusty until you zoom on it. Anyway, I’ll take a 5D MK II to go, no crust. If I ever figure out all the functions on the G9, maybe I’ll look at the G10. BTW, the G3 (still) works great.

  25. I am glad my Canon glass kept me here… or else I would have defected to Nikon. I guess you could say I would have pulled a Bourne

  26. Wow – it will be interesting to see how useful the 25,600 ISO is in reality. The Nikons seem to have useful ISO (i.e., minimal noise) up pretty far into the range. Hopefully Canon’s useful ISO range is similar.

    It’s a great time to be a consumer with two companies committed to innovation in the marketplace.

  27. I hope, with both the 5D MkII and G10, that the increase in pixel count does not have a negative impact on the higher ISO settings. I can’t comment on the current 5D but on my 400D and G9 noise becomes noticeable above ISO 400 and 200 respectively.

    I’m looking forward reading some reviews soon! If they are favorable then I’ll have to make space under the Christmas tree for a MkII.

  28. I hope, with both the 5D MkII and G10, that the increase in pixel count does not have a negative impact on the higher ISO settings. I can’t comment on the current 5D but on my 400D and G9 noise becomes noticeable above ISO 400 and 200 respectively.

    I’m looking forward reading some reviews soon! If they are favorable then I’ll have to make space under the Christmas tree for a MkII.

  29. I’m a bit concerned with the “New Creative Auto Mode” in the 5D Mk. II- this camera is almost $3000 and they’re adding features that I’d expect to see on a P&S. The other upgrades to it are nice, and came in good time, but I’m sticking with my current 5D.

  30. Several of you have asked me if this causes second thoughts in my switch. The answer is no. I shoot primarily wildlife. The 5D MK II is more of a studio, portrait, nature camera. At 3.9 FPS and a smaller range of autofocus sensors compared to the D3, it’s just not fast enough for wildlife or sports. And while I have yet to see the test shots, I can’t imagine the low-light performance being on par with the D3. When I had the 1DS MK III, it was nowhere near as good at ISO 3200 as the D3 is. If you cram too many pixels onto a small sensor, noise is guaranteed at some point. That said, they have a new DIGIC processor so maybe they’ve found a way to deal with it. I’ll test and report back here. But in any event, I am very happy with the D3. If Canon comes out with a replacement for the 1DMK III (not the S) I might ADD it to my collection, but not switch. I just got 40K worth of Nikon gear so I am going to stick with that.

  31. Several of you have asked me if this causes second thoughts in my switch. The answer is no. I shoot primarily wildlife. The 5D MK II is more of a studio, portrait, nature camera. At 3.9 FPS and a smaller range of autofocus sensors compared to the D3, it’s just not fast enough for wildlife or sports. And while I have yet to see the test shots, I can’t imagine the low-light performance being on par with the D3. When I had the 1DS MK III, it was nowhere near as good at ISO 3200 as the D3 is. If you cram too many pixels onto a small sensor, noise is guaranteed at some point. That said, they have a new DIGIC processor so maybe they’ve found a way to deal with it. I’ll test and report back here. But in any event, I am very happy with the D3. If Canon comes out with a replacement for the 1DMK III (not the S) I might ADD it to my collection, but not switch. I just got 40K worth of Nikon gear so I am going to stick with that.

  32. It indeed is a fantastic time to be into digital image acquisition (both moving and stills). I just got myself a D700 (Fuji S3 stalwart with a bag of F mount glass) but this 5D looks the part, esp with the vid capture.

    R.

  33. Who cares about video capture. Its a DSLR. With the D90 it only shoots for a max of 5 minutes and mono audio with no XLR inputs. If you want video, get a video camera or a G9/G10. I’ll shoot frames with my D300 and D700 and shoot video with my GL2 or Vixia HF11.

  34. Who cares about video capture. Its a DSLR. With the D90 it only shoots for a max of 5 minutes and mono audio with no XLR inputs. If you want video, get a video camera or a G9/G10. I’ll shoot frames with my D300 and D700 and shoot video with my GL2 or Vixia HF11.

  35. Canon stated that this sensor has less noise than any one they’ve ever made. So the fact that the 1Ds III was not as noiseless as the D3 is not that meaningful. We’ll have to wait and see what the high ISO shots look like. I looked for the source on that but couldn’t find it.

  36. I agree. Who was hungry for video capability on their DSLR?? Especially a prosumer cam.

    I prefer dedicated devices…the addition of video might be novel, but it certainly makes the camera cost more, and also adds layers of technical vulnerabilities to the device.
    It will decrease sensor, shutter, battery and card life, and introduces vectors for firmware issues and software bugs. Definetely not what I want on a camera I want as my best means of capturing still photography. If I want video, I’ll use a video camera, which will give me far better options. Having video on a DSLR might be handy now and then, but I never found myself missing it or wishing my DSLR had it…
    OMMV.

  37. For the G10, I wish Canon had stuck with the excellent f/2.0 lens they used on early G-series cameras like the G2. Image stabilization and higher ISOs are great, but they don’t beat a good fast lens.

  38. Dennis, Quin; You’re making a bigger deal about supposed drawbacks than is necessary, and you are probably not knowledgeable about the potential upsides here. There are specific reasons why this may be interesting to video people that you may not be aware of. An HF11 is actually a very solid unit, but it’s just not the same.

    Not only is it a solid dSLR, the video option is quite a boon, at least for me, and it is generating interest in others too.

    This is a system that offers 35mm depth of field control without having to buy a $1000 depth of field adapter that reduces the amount of light going into the camcorder by as much as two stops.

    This is a 35mm camera that can record video. Most camcorders have 1/3″ sensors into the $10k range and even beyond. The next step up above 5DII for video with 35mm sensor that is the Red One, costing $40k in a usable rig.

    The 5 minute time limit per shot is not a problem for a lot of filmmaking. Hollywood movies often don’t have shots longer than 7 seconds. Documentaries often don’t take five minute shots either. If you’re shooting a football game, then it’s not going to work.

    The camera is not doing a shutter actuation for each frame. I doubt it adds to the component costs. It adds to development costs, but all said and done, it’s not a big deal on a per camera basis, especially compared to the cost of a 35mm sensor.

  39. Dennis, Quin; You’re making a bigger deal about supposed drawbacks than is necessary, and you are probably not knowledgeable about the potential upsides here. There are specific reasons why this may be interesting to video people that you may not be aware of. An HF11 is actually a very solid unit, but it’s just not the same.

    Not only is it a solid dSLR, the video option is quite a boon, at least for me, and it is generating interest in others too.

    This is a system that offers 35mm depth of field control without having to buy a $1000 depth of field adapter that reduces the amount of light going into the camcorder by as much as two stops.

    This is a 35mm camera that can record video. Most camcorders have 1/3″ sensors into the $10k range and even beyond. The next step up above 5DII for video with 35mm sensor that is the Red One, costing $40k in a usable rig.

    The 5 minute time limit per shot is not a problem for a lot of filmmaking. Hollywood movies often don’t have shots longer than 7 seconds. Documentaries often don’t take five minute shots either. If you’re shooting a football game, then it’s not going to work.

    The camera is not doing a shutter actuation for each frame. I doubt it adds to the component costs. It adds to development costs, but all said and done, it’s not a big deal on a per camera basis, especially compared to the cost of a 35mm sensor.

  40. JeffDM, WHO CARES. If I want video, I’ll buy a Red Scarlet and be done with it. For just quick video capture, I prefer my G9/G10. Its like putting spinners on a Ferrari F430. Anyway, this is TWiP Photo no TWiP Video. Maybe Scott and Alex would like to produce another show on video. Oh yeah, its MacBreak Tech.

  41. JeffDM, WHO CARES. If I want video, I’ll buy a Red Scarlet and be done with it. For just quick video capture, I prefer my G9/G10. Its like putting spinners on a Ferrari F430. Anyway, this is TWiP Photo no TWiP Video. Maybe Scott and Alex would like to produce another show on video. Oh yeah, its MacBreak Tech.

  42. Sigh. Yet more features a photographer won’t use. Face Detection, “Creative Auto Mode”? How about we stick to the basics? What’s next integrated Ipod controls?

    Give me low noise, and excellent low light performance. Flash memory is getting cheap. How about faster, larger memory buffers? 21.1Megapixles? Do you realize how large these files are getting? How about better weather sealing? Wireless flash control in the body? The improved ISO performance is promising. The self cleaning sensor is good. But this really just sounds like a beefed up 50D. An incremental improvement at best. Nothing fabulous, just this year’s model. This does not hit me like the the Nikon D3 and D700, and I am a Canon fan.

    The new 24mm F1.4 II sounds good. How about an EF or EF-S 30mm F1.4 USM? This would give a FOVCF of 48mm on the 40D, 50D, and Rebels. I would gladly pay the canon premium. Instead I am probably going to get the sigma lens.

    I look forward to seeing comparisons between the 5D II and the D700. I plan on upgrading next summer/fall. I hope Canon gets their act together. I really don’t want to change systems, but they are not addressing the camera features I find most important. It will be a real pain to switch but Canon has not given me a compelling reason to stay with them.

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  44. did someone say integrated iPod controls. How bout using your iTouch as a remote trigger. I love this iExtendability keep it iComing it sounds iFabulous we could even have an SLR lens adapter for the iPhone

    Just imagine

  45. Really disappointed with the G10. I was hoping for f2.0 and better hi ISO performance. Instead we get more pixels and more crappy features.

    Le sigh.

  46. The only thing the I want for my old 5D is improved IQ, weather protection, and sensor cleaning/dust masking. If I wanted to take video I will use my 9G or buy a Video camera.

    Video on a 5D is about as useful as a direct print button. Is Canon trying to create the swiss army knife of the DSLR world? Hey Canon why don’t you get plugged into the consumer. We care about IQ, weather protection, and clean sensors.

    My nerd side says hey neat stuff, my bang for the buck side says give us IQ…IQ….IQ not a swiss army knife.

    Sorry about the rant, I am disappointed, perhaps they can come out with a 5D MK I 1/2.

  47. The only thing the I want for my old 5D is improved IQ, weather protection, and sensor cleaning/dust masking. If I wanted to take video I will use my 9G or buy a Video camera.

    Video on a 5D is about as useful as a direct print button. Is Canon trying to create the swiss army knife of the DSLR world? Hey Canon why don’t you get plugged into the consumer. We care about IQ, weather protection, and clean sensors.

    My nerd side says hey neat stuff, my bang for the buck side says give us IQ…IQ….IQ not a swiss army knife.

    Sorry about the rant, I am disappointed, perhaps they can come out with a 5D MK I 1/2.

  48. Dennis, I care. I do photos and video, and this thing offers specific video capabilities and features not found in video cameras at less than three times its price or even higher.

    And it’s not like putting spinners on a race car. The video samples from this is far nicer than a G9 or G10 can possibly offer, the footage even better than any of my HD camcorders can muster, a couple Canons included. I am also not seeing anything on this camera that compromises the photography by adding video recording, so I don’t see what the complaining is about.

    Even the Red Scarlet has about 1/8 the image sensor area as a 35mm camera, and Scarlet doesn’t offer interchangeable lenses either.

  49. Dennis, I care. I do photos and video, and this thing offers specific video capabilities and features not found in video cameras at less than three times its price or even higher.

    And it’s not like putting spinners on a race car. The video samples from this is far nicer than a G9 or G10 can possibly offer, the footage even better than any of my HD camcorders can muster, a couple Canons included. I am also not seeing anything on this camera that compromises the photography by adding video recording, so I don’t see what the complaining is about.

    Even the Red Scarlet has about 1/8 the image sensor area as a 35mm camera, and Scarlet doesn’t offer interchangeable lenses either.

  50. I fully agree with JeffDM. (I have seen the samples of the video, and it surpases even the top gear in the market today).

    I shoot primarily studio/location glamour and fashion. This edition of the 5D will reshape the market, as we know it. Not just in photography but video as well.

    But for buyers, really this discussion is spilt down the middle. JeffDM can see the benefit from using the 5DMKII and will use it to its full potential. However for the average user, video for personal use at the moment will not require anything higher than what the G9 can offer.

    Therefore Dennis, realise that individuals will find uses of products that most users will never touch on. Those few individuals that will use those functions are usually the ones that are first purchasing the equipment.

    I have my 5DMKII on pre-order already. When it arrives, my current 5D will move to backup.

  51. G9s have apparently gone UP in price since the G10 announcement, so apparently a lot of people have not had their socks knocked off by the new feature set. I’m still not totally decided which I would prefer, and would love to see a side by side comparison of G9 and G10 once the G10 is available. Canon is competing with itself too much.

  52. Wow. The wheel of progress rolls a few more degrees forward. If Scotty would have held on to all that glass he took such a wash on he could have had quite a set up for only a few thousand dollars more. And odds are better than even that next year Canon will announce a D3 killer.

  53. @Michael What? Are you talking about the 5d MK II? That camera isn’t even CLOSE to what I would need to shoot wildlife. And it’s not possible for Canon to announce, let alone ship a D3 killer. That assumes I would give up the D3 just because Canon came out with a new camera.

    In any event, I’d bet Nikon will revamp the D3 with V2 LONG before Canon releases the 1d MK IV – which is the camera that would compete with the D3.

  54. @Michael What? Are you talking about the 5d MK II? That camera isn’t even CLOSE to what I would need to shoot wildlife. And it’s not possible for Canon to announce, let alone ship a D3 killer. That assumes I would give up the D3 just because Canon came out with a new camera.

    In any event, I’d bet Nikon will revamp the D3 with V2 LONG before Canon releases the 1d MK IV – which is the camera that would compete with the D3.

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